that's a big focus of the president's. >> we'll continue this conversation. thank you. steve hildebrand, thank you. erin burnett "outfront" about to erin burnett "outfront" about to take it away right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we're on the front line with herman cain's main man. the guy you see smoking in the ad. cain is leading in the polls. can he win? and rick perry has a joke that we cannot resist sharing with you tonight. and the bottom line on the economy, the markets are way, way up. this is a landmark day. will it last? let's go "outfront." "outfront" tonight, whoa, whoa, whoa. the markets soared, the dow up 339 points. nasdaq and s&p up more than 3%.

and there were two big reasons why. one, america defied skeptics with american consumers spending money. the u.s. economy grew 2.5% in the third quarter. twice as fast as the prior quarter. look at it compared to earlier this year. 2.5% isn't great overall. but it is a lot better than a lot of doomsayers expected. the other big news was europe. they made a deal to bail out greece. that deal also, not that great. but after 14 summits, any deal was enough to juice the markets and that it did. october now on track to be the best october for the overall markets since january of 1974. to put that in perspective, that was the year blazing saddles came out. >> we must do something about this immediately! immediately! immediately! >> i didn't get a harrumf out of that guy. >> apparently a movie a lot of guys like. >> it was before cnn or i were

born. stocks are up. gdp european deal. he spent 20 years on the floor of the new york stock exchange. so one great day. is that an -- and a great month. it kind of snuck up on us. are you optimistic? >> i am. and i am for several reasons. both of the points you mentioned are clearly the drivers, the macro economic number we've been getting are both incredibly positive, surprisingly positive given weakness in the sectors of the economy. but also the eu, though ausd mentioned, there's a lot of work to be done. it still takes a lot of risk off the table. particularly for the financials. on a day like today, you've seen tremendous leadership from the financials. that's a very good indicator. >> in term of the double dip scenario, which is fair to say our economic strike team had that 17 out of 20 of them, they did not see a double dip. now we get numbers like this. a lot of americans still feel like we're in a recession about it doesn't look like we'll have

that double dip so many are dreading. do you agree? >> i do but i must be honest. but i was very, very bearish in mid-april and may. a number that we see today, 2.5 on the gdp, that is definitely not recessionary. in fact we've had quite a few quarters of growth. >> thank you very much. optimism is something we need. the optimism is good because confidence is what will get america and the world growing full steam again. but for the optimism to become reality, 12 people must act. a group of 12 in our nation's capital that's holding america hostage. that is the super committee charged with cutting america's debt within the next month. they have a choice to be bold and make a difference or be something that miriam webster defines as lacking power. with the example being political eunuc eunuchs. so a group of members of the house wrote a letter saying they want to cut america's debt by $4 trillion. they wrote in part, quote, to succeed, all options for

mandatory and discretionary spending and revv news must be on the table. now our understanding out front is about 95 people have signed the letter. democrats and republicans. one is congressman jim. thanks so much for being here. >> great to be here. >> how many people have signed on to this letter? >> it's still in motion but we've got close to 100. democrats and republican who's said we need to go big and keep everything on the table. that's a pretty big step forward for this congress. >> that quote i gave was from a draft of the letter which said all options were mandatory and discretionary spending and revenues must be on the table. that line is still in there. >> that's right. and that's a line for people in both parties to say. there are 100 of them now who have agreed to that language. >> what about this super committee? we had mr. camp on last night. there's now a story out of reuters tonight that tim ryan, the democrat on the house budget committee says there's broad sent anymore congress that the

u.s. economy will not necessarily suffer from another downgrade from the other two big agencies. is that broad sent nimt congress? >> i would disagree with that. there's a lot of concern that if there is a failure on the part of the super committee, it just continues the notion around the world that we can't govern ourselves. i would say there's real fearful in addition to that real fear, if the super committee doesn't fail to come up with a good plan, you've got these automatic cuts that kick in. everybody hates. they're big brutal cuts. i won't say optimism but there is a lot of hope they will get it put together. >> cnn is reporting that sgrainer, because the cuts hit in places nobody wants, the massive cuts in defense that secretary panetta doesn't want. that jayne john boehner said let take those off. if that's the case, that's very concerning. to me that would mean the committee would do nothing. >> that's why they are there. they are there to make this

super committee look like they have some really serious troubles if they don't succeed. so they're bad. so john boehner may have said he doesn't like them but they are in law. and they are what is ultimately going to get this super committee to do what it needs to do. >> so jay carney made a joke today about nine. and he was making a joke about the 9-9-9 plan. 9 being a bad number. but it is the number approval rating for congress. what are you guys going to do about that? what is that it congress doesn't get about the fact people want something done. >> well, yeah. and people do want something done. and people also sent a group of 70 freshmen on the republican side that were pretty uncompromising and have been. so i get it. people are economically insecure. they're losing their jobs and they're homes. i understand why they're angry at congress themselves look at the bailouts, the partisanship and the bic persian occukering. this is another reason why i

think it is so important the super committee get this done. if we get it done, nobody will like what gets done. this is tough. >> and you're looking for $4 trillion in cuts which is three time as much as the super committee has to come up with. >> it is also the number that stabilizes the united states debt. if it is not $4 trillion, we'll be back next year or the year after that. >> and it is the magic number. the downgrades, they keep coming. >> thanks so much. >> let's bring in john avalon, cnn contributor. what do you think about the letter? what do you think about what john bain her to say? what gouth what tim ryan had to say? >> the letters, you have 100 members of the house from both parties encouraging the super committee to go big. not just that. when you spoke to senator mark warnary week ago, he said they're 40 members of the senate who are encouraging the super committee to go big. that tell me there are at least 140 people on capitol hill who get it. they get the urgency that they should feel about dealing with our deficit and our debt and

they're encouraging the super committee to hit that magic $4 trillion number. boehner and ryan, that's exactly the wrong message to send. it takes away that urgency. the sense of wednesday and will focus the minds of people in congress. >> and good for people like jim himes. he understands this is not something to trifle with. if what reuters is reporting is the case, that's very, very concerning. if there is sentiment in congress that it is okay to get more downgrades. just keep bringing them on. it doesn't matter. it does matter. >> it matter enormously. the fact that was said shows some folks don't want to get it. s&p downgraded because they said it was political brinksmanship. because of the debate we had this summer. and everyone has been warned. this is not subtle. everyone should be clear in their mind about the importance of dealing with our deficit and our debt if you want our country on a long term sound fiscal

footing and everybody should. >> i have to say, the letter, these thing can fall apart. they were trying to come up with it today. i know it is still a work in progress. the fact you have 95 people they say have signed democrats and republicans, and my understanding, at this point it is basically half and half. it includes revenues and cuts. that word hasn't come out. neither one of them. that's something to applaud. we want the leadership. >> it is something to applaud. hope is not a strategy but it is a step in the right direction. this formula has been understood. game of six, they've all said that it needs to be done with a combination. some combination of cuts and renew increases. that can be done even by lower rates and closing loopholes. so there's plenty of ground to be built on if they can be brave and go big. >> let's hope they do. thanks. and still "outfront," the latest on the six animals which

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>> although there's no problem with that singing because that would not violate anything. mitt romney wants tea party love. but so far they have not supported him. it's been kind of anybody but mitt romney for the tea party. with us, the national director, ron, good of to have you with us. i know you've been looking at all the fine print in every poll out there. the recent cnn polls in early states and have an inside track on tea party support. you stay race has become two races on parallel tracks. what do you mean? >> i can take your blazing saddle reference and raise you back to dr. strangelove. you had to go back to 1964 to see a republican race that has been as volatile a race before the vote. six different candidates have led. back to barry goldwater and nelson rockefeller. and one of the reasons the race is so volatile, it is clearly evolving along two separate tracks. in your cnn polling, about half the party identifies as supporters of the tea party. the other half of the republican

electorate say they are neutral or opposed to the tea party. and they are moving in very different ways. the nontea party side of the party. they are moving pretty steadily toward mitt romney. he was at 16 to 18% in your polling in sxaug accept. 24% in late accepseptember. meanwhile he's stuck with 17 or 18% with the tea party side. most don't want him but they've been bouncing around. early on, michele bachmann had a spike. then rick perry was at 35, 36%. now herman cain as perihas collapsed at 10%. it is hard to imagine that's where the wheel will stop turning with that side of the party. >> if mitt romney does not get the tea party, does it matter? can he still win the nomination and potentially the election? >> well, i think he can win the nomination without the tea party. if no one can consolidate that side of the party as well as he is. if you look like the state by

state polls, he is up to 30% in iowa. 39 ners florida. 27% in south carolina. and 40% in new hampshire, roughly. among the nontea party side of the party. and if he can build on that and no one can consolidate the tea party side, he can be the nominee. there may never be a majority that wants to nominate romney but that won't matter if no one can consolidate that majority and it fragments among several candidates. >> that will be interesting. thanks very much. good to see you, sir. >> thank you. today a federal judge refused to throw out the criminal case against john edwards. in case you have forgotten, the disgraced former presidential candidate. he will face charges of violating campaign finance laws by using nearly $1 million to hide an affair with rielle hunter and his child with her as you see there.

jeff tubin is cnn analyst. were you even alive with cheap trick sang, i want you to want me? that's an old reference. >> i don't know the exact year but i may not have been. >> not blazing saddles either. ? >>, but i've been told i must watch it. so john edwards admits hiding money for the affair. >> it is a weird affair. the facts are not in dispute. he w two of his big supporters, fred barren and bunny put up nearly $1 million that go through enter need areas and goes to rielle hunter, basically to cover her living expenses and keep her quiet. everybody agrees that happened. the question is, is that an illegal campaign contribution, as the government says, or is it simply friends helping out a

friend in trouble? >> okay. so now he's pretty confident he can win this. if i am right here, he had a chance to need a misdemeanor. he had a chance to take, what was it? a few months? and he said no. now there is a lot more at stake. >> really a remarkable thing that he turned down this plea deal. he would probably not even to go prison at all. but he wasn't guaranteed no prison and he wasn't guaranteed that co-keep his law license. apparently those are the big sticking points in the plea negotiations, keeping the law license and prison. and he and his lawyers, they think they have a pretty good case here. i don't know. it's very weird. >> so if he chooses, how long does he to go jail? how much does he pay? >> i don't know. he won't go to jail for a long time for this case. i would be surprised if he got a year but he would lose his law license. his political career is over. but he's in his mid 50s and he wants to be a lawyer. he was a very talented and popular lawyer in his day.

>> can he get a jury that's untainted? people have strong opinions. >> everybody hates him because of what he did. his wife was dying of cancer, we all know the story. the problem is the case is not really about that. bits campaign finance laws. the question is will people's hostility to him carry over to this fairly arcane technical crime. and will they say we hate this guy, we'll convict him. or will they say, this isn't why we were mad at him. it is just irrelevant. >> this is going to be interesting. i'm very curious. >> indeed. >> to see what kind of treatment people get. "outfront," next, herman cain. he doesn't have any endorsements and he doesn't have a formal base of support but he is leading in the polls. that's the bottom line. his campaign staff, can they hold it together? the guy in charge is coming on this show. and rick perry has a joke to

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now a story we can't resist. rick perry was in the news today, backtracking on comments he made about the president's birth certificate. earlier in the week, he said, quote, i don't know. i don't have a definitive answer. it's a good issue to keep alive. i don't have a clue about where the president, and what this birth certificate says.

sound pretty definitive. today he change his tune when he said, quote, i don't think i was expressing doubts. i was just having some fun with donald trump. est the latest candidate saying something controversial one day and then saying they were joking or kidding the next. but i say if these really are jokes and not just candidates flip flopping, we should celebrate them as jokes. so we have. with this new product. and we can't resist playing our first commercial for this product right now. >> they're wild, wacky, and downright hilarious. political punch lines. 25 of the fun yift line from politics' zaniest characters. >> i don't know how much god has to do to get the attention of the politicians. we've got an earthquake -- >> some of these are almost impossible to find anywhere at any price. >> have you officially responded to elizabeth warren's comment about how she didn't take her clothes off? >> thank god. >> now they're all here on one outstanding dvd.

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, when he we focus on our open reporting, do the work. up first, ali abdul aziz ali has been name the new crown prince. he is about 78 years old. he is tightly allied with the religious clerics in saudi arabia. he is known for opposing women to drive. he emphasized his allegiance to those clerics. oil could jump as much as $20 a barrel. number two, severe flooding and mud slides in northern italy have left at least six dead. cnn crews on the ground say conditions are improving in coastal towns hammered by days of rain. the situation is so bad that several towns can only be reached by boat. the towns also lacked power and

drinking water. official are calling in the military to help. number three, ponzi schemer bernard madoff told barbara walters, the hardest part of prison is not seeing his family and knowing they hate him. this conversation came out a day after bernard's wife ruth told cbs that they both had attempted suicide. we spoke with his attorney who said he knew of the attempt but still believes ruth was unaware of the ponzi scheme until the arrest in december of 2008. number four, countdown to a debt deal. nearly 100 representatives signed on to a letter urging the super committee to cut $4 trillion from the deficit. nearly three times as much as they are required to. earlier i talked to jim himes from connecticut. he said there's a lot of concern in congress about the possibility of the super committee failing. he said the threat of automatic cuts are the only thing that are fossing t forcing the committee to get it done. more downgrades could be coming.

it has been 83 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the latest poll from fox news has herman cain leading in, leading mitt romney on a national poll. romney is at 24% -- skain 24%. romney is at 20%. make sure you can see it. there many are still wondering how herman cain continue to have such momentum. and is his campaign for real? after all, mr. cain was in arkansas today doing a book tour and he hasn't been in new hampshire since august 20th. at the center of his unconventional run is mark black, who is out front with us tonight. mark, pardon the pun. people will see your face and they'll get it. many are saying this campaign is a bit of smoke and mirrors. when are you going to get serious about the early states? why is mr. cain in arkansas? >> necessary arkansas campaigning and he is not on a book tour. we are serious about the early

states. we've been in iowa as many times as the other candidates other, than one. we have operations in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina and florida. and other states. we're very serious about it. and it's interesting that the news this week has been about the message that i delivered to our activists and happened to be smoking at the end of it. that seemed to have taken over some of the airwaves this week. but mr. cain is out there, talking about his economic plan. 9-9-9 is resonating and it is resonating with main street america, just like i think the youtube video which has gone viral, which i'm being told has been seen by over 3 million people has resonated also with main stream. herman cain is a man of the people. i can see now that you're playing -- >> i'm playing it. >> you're playing it. he's a man of the people.

kind of like what i was talking about with the ad. it resonated with the vfw people in iowa and other people across the country. >> so i want to ask you about that ad. obviously you're explaining why you did it. you've done these ads that have come out on youtube. they go viral. lots and lots of people see them. we looked at your hits on youtube versus the other candidates. and while it's pretty obvious that you're getting the buzz and they are not. we're looking at it. nearly 1 million viewers, according to what we saw. but look at mitt romney and rick perry. are you proud of the ad? what about the smoking part? i would imagine you're just, are you a chain smoker? you smoke regularly so this is just who you are? >> the people that work for me and have worked for me all my career had that, just let block be block. like if you know what i tell mr. cain before he goes to a debate. i said, herman, just be herman.

and that's me. i don't condone smoking. i wouldn't encourage anybody to do it but it's my choice. and it is a joke on the campaign trail. especially with reporters now that try to find me. if they go outside of a hotel during a break, i'm usually there with my imphone and a cup of coffee and a cigarette. so it is block being block like we let herman be herman. >> so your campaign had raised the money. mr. cain was on the show and he said he would send out a press release. educated you guys were raising a lot more money. the press release isn't out yet. can you tell us how much i've raised since the beginning of the month? >> over $3 million. one of the interesting metrics, and we follow a lot of metrics, including how many times the youtube is viewed. at the florida straw polls, we had about 30,000 donors. we're all over 65,000. so we've actually doubled in a

little over a month. and that's what we're seeing in our grassroots activism growth. and obviously in the youtube thing. one of the things that i think we've done better than the other candidates is use the new technology that's out there. we call at this time digital media. twitter or if you've been following twitter in the last half-hour, i said i was coming on your show. and that's traveling around. and really capitalizing on all the new technology that's out there. plus, the retail politics. and i think when this is all said and done, you will see that we have one of the most strongest widespread and deep grassroots organizations all across america. we have organizations in all 50 states. >> all right. thank you very much. appreciate your taking the time to join us and giving us your thoughts. we'll sigh, sir. >> thank you. the six surviving wild animals from last week's massacre in ohio are now under

quarantine. that's what zoo keeper told their owner when she showed up to reclaim them. she is the widow have terry thompson. he released 56 animals into the communicate and killed himself. faced with the lions, tigers and wofs and not having the ability to tranquillize them, police had to shoot and kill 49 of them them believe another, a monkey, perhaps, was eaten. but they captured six. three leopards, two primates and a grizzly bear and sent them to the zoo. now marian wants her animals back. jack hanna worked to round up the free animals. good to have you with us, sir. let me just ask but this. what was the basis of quarantine? are there legitimate health concerns or is this a legal maneuver to keep marian thompson from getting the animals back? >> i was in new york doing some shows. i found out about 5:30 this

morning, we got a fax late last night saying she was coming to get her animal at 2:00 today. that took me by surprise continuing what we went through less than a week ago. remember, any animal that comes to the american zoo. the association the 222 zoos in this country and aquariums. any animal that go from one zoo to the other. these the accreditations we have. when we transfer them, they go into quarantine. we're not about to bring animals from that filth y or i had mess out there. therefore, they were put into quarantine. now -- >> how bad of shape are these animals in in were they malnourished? can you tell us more? >> some of them were somewhat thin but they looked okay. they're eating well now, we have enrichment programs for them. i don't know how long the quarantine is. we can't put them down when they come to the zoo.

maybe there's herpes b. when they called me, i said you have to call the state of ohio. as i told mrs. thompson that last wednesday when all heck broke loose, she said i want my children, i want my children. i'm not going to take my children to the zoo. right now, we have a lot of problems. we have people going up trying to take a carcass from your house. we had a dead lion in the back of somebody's car. we arrested those people and i didn't know what would happen in her house that night. i said please let me take them to the zoo. they have to go now until legal things can be worked out. i never thought in less than a week, she would come back and say she's going to take them to. where are you taking them? i don't know. now they're going back there. are you kidding me? after what happened laugh week? and then of course i called the state and the state said they can't go anywhere because of quarantine. i was in new york so i don't know how this all took place. i just know they were calling me back every five minutes telling me what happened. >> what is your sense of her?

i'm sorry to interrupt you. what is your sense of her? she calls them her children. you were obviously surprised by her moving out to get them back. what is your perception of her as a person? >> well, now i'm getting concerned. at first obviously, you have a love for an animal. if that's the case, she had this love, why would they be dmept those horrid conditions? the other question, i didn't get to ask her. if her husband obviously got out of prison and she left her husband, who was taking care of those animals the past year? someone said she hadn't been taking care of them that much. i don't know if she was there. if you love something, how come all of a sudden you want these creatures back after what happened? it doesn't make sense. i'll be finding this out in the next few days. but irregardless, those animals aren't going anywhere. wave valuable collection in our zoo. >> thank you very much. and hopefully you'll be back with us to tell us what you do know. now let's check with anderson

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we do this at the same time every night. our outer circle where we reach out to sources around the world. tonight to thailand, floodwaters still rising there. sarah is in bangkok. is there anything the government can do to stop it? >> reporter: erin, your question was answered by officials here in bangkok. the head of the command says it is no longer possible to stop the water from coming into this city. and that means that much of bangkok will be flooded.

how high those floods will go, nobody really knows. the prime minister is saying between ten centimeters which is four inches, and one meter which is three feet, is expected in the next few hours. and of course you have the residents. the residents having to deal with waist high water. their homes in some parts of the city now washed away and hundreds of people have been killed in these floods. >> thank you. next to turkey, the death toll from sun's quake continues to rise and it has been rising sharply. now 535 dead. at least 2,300 injured. that number also doubling. andrew, the rescue effort. have they given up yet? >> the rescue efforts are now turning into a relief operation against exposure. it is really very cold out there. with thousands of houses destroyed, people are desperate for shelter. but there is at least one piece of good news. a young man in the town studying for his university examinations was rescued from the rubble

alive. he was pulled out after 100 hours and flown to the hospital. at least there may be some hope he'll get to university after all. >> we go now to london where st. james hospital is responding to this. a picture of kate middleton with what appears to be a scar. what is the palace saying? >> there is no argument. the duchess of cambridge looked absolutely stun chg when she undertook her first solo engagement. but her swept back hairdo revealed what looked like a three-inch scar. the british papers were awash with speculation about how she got it. the spokesperson for st. james' palace did confirm, the scar was the result of a childhood operation but gave no further details saying this was a private matter. erin? >> all right. thank you. obviously people are very

curious about that. was michael jackson addicted to demerol? that was the focus of testimony in the conrad murray trial today. an addiction specialist for the defense took stand. >> what are the thing that you see in these medical records which cause you to believe that? >> six weeks of very frequent high dose use, i believe, would result in opiod dependence in any of us. >> you would consider this very high use. >> very high. >> that's right. conrad murray's team wants to prove that jackson was heavily addicted to the opiate demerol. they say it was withdrawal from the powerful pain kill cher caused his insomnia. then in a desperate attempt to get to sleep, he became, well, he started using propofol. jackson gave himself that final fail dose of propofol that officials say killed him. ted williams joins us now from l.a. important to the defense is the argument that michael jackson gave himself that fatal dose. i'm curious as to if dr. murray

was jackson's physician, wouldn't he know about demerol and the high dose and therefore the whole risk of propofol to begin with? >> well, no, because he was getting it from another doctor. beverly hills doctor, dr. klein. that was the testimony today themselves went through klein's medical records even dating back to before mahr was on board. >> why hasn't dr. klein been called on to testify? >> he won't be. the defense would love to have him on there. they've had him as sort of this theme throughout their argument and throughout the trial. the judge has ruled that klein will not take the stand. >> and do we know why at all? >> because there was no demerol in jackson's body when he died. so the demerol use was not a direct cause of death, according to the judge. the defense would argue it differently but the judge made that ruling a long time ago and the defense has to live with it. >> how do they respond to the claim that jackson may have self-administered the propofol? even if the defense can prove that he did, does that let murray off the hook?

to be able to tell which dose was the fatal dose, i guess. >> what the prosecution has done is sort of a plan b, to argue that it doesn't mat here gave him the fatal dr. murray that b the dangerous drug in to jackson's bedroom. he should be held accountable. >> thanks very much, ted. we'll talk to you tomorrow. all right. can lisa irwin's older brothers shed some light on what happened to their 11-month-old baby sister? the police and fbi hoping that. they're sitting the 6 and 8-year-old boys down tomorrow to question them about the night lisa disappeared about a month ago. they have been questioned once on the first day. elizabeth smart who's abducted from her bedroom in june 2002 found nine months later thanks in part to her little sister. i spoke to their father ed right before the show. he told me that the interview with the boys he thinks could actually lead to new and important information. >> in mary katherine's case, in

the end, that's what saved elizabeth. i mean, it was her remembrance of this person and, you know, whether the boys heard anything or saw anything, you know, i guess we don't know exactly what the police have received as far as information of what they might or might not know. but i certainly think checking that over at this point is an important thing to do. >> how likely is it that they'll get valuable information? it is a lot of time to go by with children as young as they are and a lot of information and perhaps, you know, tainting of that memory that could have happened. >> you know, and i think that's a concern because in mary katherine's case, the thing that the law enforcement really did was to sequester mary katherine and tell us, you know, please don't expose her to a lot of information about what's happened and potentially in the future mary katherine can come forward and give some pertinent information that she may have,

you know, forgotten. and so, and in the end, you know, one night mary katherine came in, said, dad i think i know who it is. well, she hadn't known who it was for the past four or five months so that was a big breakthrough so you just don't know but i think at this point in time the, you know, the parents, everyone has got to feel everything that can be done must be done. and you can't fail to overturn every possible stone in the path. >> and i know you follow these missing cases very closely, have reached out to families going through this. have you considered reaching out to this family, to baby lisa's family? >> you know, i haven't had an opportunity of talking with them. i would be more than happy to. you know, this is -- these events are so tragic, you know, i can't help but think of this jesse shockly down in phoenix who went missing after having

played in her front yard, and all of these cases really deserve attention from everybody because it is the public that will most likely help to bring these children home. >> all right. well, thank you very much, sir. i hope you'll stay in touch with us as you decide what to do in this case. we hope as a baby so little and still found alive. thanks again. >> you know, absolutely. we certainly hope that she is, and, you know, got bless her family. out front. when we come back, greece's economy in serious trouble but their royal family is not so much. ♪ and the flowers and the trees ♪ ♪ all laugh when you walk by ♪ and the neighbors' kids run and hide ♪ deep inside you, there's a person who refuses to be kept deep inside you. ♪ but you're not ♪ you're the one be true to yourself. what's healthier than that?

we are in serious trouble but if we get rid of this fat and try to put ourselves back online again it could be incredible what happens in the future. >> that was prince pavlos of greece reacting to the euro zone plan to help with greek debt. who is the prince, you said? we know this. he has a gorgeous family. he, his wife and children are on mag sheazines they live in a man full of paintings which cost millions and millions of dollars and vacation in greece. investigative reporter with "vanity fair." people think with the crisis in greece and austerity wouldn't know there's a crown prince and come out and comment on it

today. who is this person? >> great question, erin. crown prince pavlos of greece is the son of the late -- still alive, king constantine who was forced out of greece many years ago, erin and the prince and the greek quote unquote royal family were only allowed back in to greece a few years ago so he's that greek. >> okay. so now i have seen in magazines his wife saying they love going there, they go there all the time, especially for the summer. >> as of recently. >> since being allowed. so why do you think all of a sudden -- he's never talked. >> no. in fact, i have spoke to friends in london where they live. apparently their house is very done up already for halloween in a way that no one else's is done up. they're surprised he gave this interview. he's very careful, really not to talk about his relationship with his country although it's obviously very close. but i don't think one friend did say to me i don't think we're

going to be seeing his face on the drachma any time soon. >> there could be a drachma coming back and a separate -- let me ask you, though, because they obviously are a gorgeous family and then she became a princess but i believe she's american, right? >> she gave up her citizenship in 2011. >> she just gave it up? >> yes. >> but the money in this family comes from who? >> an american. >> from her. >> duty free heiress. the princess and the pauper. >> the princess and the pauper. >> and her dowry and the wedding there was how much? >> her dowry -- oh, well, her father's a billionaire. the dress was $220,000, valentino and arranged by a bunch of greek shipping mag gnats to make sure that the long lost greek family no longer so poor. >> well, they are not and they are -- you know, beautiful family. interesting to see what happened. honest s